The closer you get to Iowa’s room, the crazier you seem to be. Baghdad Bob would be jealous of the delusions they concoct
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I think I'm inclined to agree with you. Keep in mind this is an old problem. There have been military and religious exemptions forever. After WW II you had battle hardened vets on college football teams. Even the days before every college had shrines to York, Eleiko and Rogue; they were both physicallly and mentally leaps ahead of some teenager. And some schools (BYU) have used the religious exemption to their advantage.
The problem with the "covid year" was that it was conspicuous benefit; hidden cost. For every guy who had the extra year, there was an incoming kid who lost an opportunity. A lot of them still didn't get past the hump. (Marinelli, Kemmerer) or stay at the top. (Fix and RBY, courtesy of the same opponent) and of course Lee. Brayton Lee was injured and lost his edge.
Watching Levi Haines get beat by guy who has had four or five years to develop -so much so that Burroughs commented on his strength and development multiple times seems unfair. Is O'Connor a great wrestler? Absolutely. But at this point he's a man among boys.
Think back to your own youth-assuming its in the rear view mirror. I wasn't a college athlete, didn't have the training or direction, and still went from being 170 when I entered college (I was running every day, my weight was back in 180's by Christmas break) to 205 when I graduated on the "five year plan". By 24, I was 210 and still managed to turn a 5 and change mile and this was lifting infrequently.
Honestly, unless you are in grad school; I have no idea how you hang around until 24 or 25. When I graduated, I was six weeks short of 23 and still felt out of place.
On the flip side are real old guys that played sports; when advanced age was in the negative column.
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And in wrestling; then there's Nathan Godsey..
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And Terence Haynes
Baldwin-Wallace's 45-year-old wrestler Terence Haynes loses 200 pounds, gains a new lease on life
A little over a year ago, Baldwin-Wallace College wrestler Terence Haynes weighed 430 pounds. Today, he weighs 228 pounds, well under the NCAA-imposed limit of 285 pounds for a heavyweight . The story doesn't end there. If losing over...
As I recall the oldest NCAA champ was 27 or 28.
Wasn’t Matt Brown 25?I think I'm inclined to agree with you. Keep in mind this is an old problem. There have been military and religious exemptions forever. After WW II you had battle hardened vets on college football teams. Even the days before every college had shrines to York, Eleiko and Rogue; they were both physicallly and mentally leaps ahead of some teenager. And some schools (BYU) have used the religious exemption to their advantage.
The problem with the "covid year" was that it was conspicuous benefit; hidden cost. For every guy who had the extra year, there was an incoming kid who lost an opportunity. A lot of them still didn't get past the hump. (Marinelli, Kemmerer) or stay at the top. (Fix and RBY, courtesy of the same opponent) and of course Lee. Brayton Lee was injured and lost his edge.
Watching Levi Haines get beat by guy who has had four or five years to develop -so much so that Burroughs commented on his strength and development multiple times seems unfair. Is O'Connor a great wrestler? Absolutely. But at this point he's a man among boys.
Think back to your own youth-assuming its in the rear view mirror. I wasn't a college athlete, didn't have the training or direction, and still went from being 170 when I entered college (I was running every day, my weight was back in 180's by Christmas break) to 205 when I graduated on the "five year plan". By 24, I was 210 and still managed to turn a 5 and change mile and this was lifting infrequently.
Honestly, unless you are in grad school; I have no idea how you hang around until 24 or 25. When I graduated, I was six weeks short of 23 and still felt out of place.
On the flip side are real old guys that played sports; when advanced age was in the negative column.
7 Oldest College Football Players Ever - Oldest.org
Discover the 7 Oldest College Football Players Ever here. Prepare to be transported into a rich & fascinating history on the oldest football player that exist.
And in wrestling; then there's Nathan Godsey..
Ashland University’s oldest wrestler balances life as teacher, coach, student and father
ASHLAND, Ohio (WJW) – He may have joined the Ashland University wrestling team late in the season, but you can never say Nathan Godsey isn’t a hard worker. In fact, he works a full-time…
And Terence Haynes
Baldwin-Wallace's 45-year-old wrestler Terence Haynes loses 200 pounds, gains a new lease on life
A little over a year ago, Baldwin-Wallace College wrestler Terence Haynes weighed 430 pounds. Today, he weighs 228 pounds, well under the NCAA-imposed limit of 285 pounds for a heavyweight . The story doesn't end there. If losing over...www.cleveland.com
As I recall the oldest NCAA champ was 27 or 28.
I think they got the COVID free year stuff all wrong. Should’ve been an extra year for a senior that didn’t get to finish in 19-20 and then back to normal.
Nice. A Baghdad Bob reference. What a joke that spokesperson was. Laughable.
Nota Bene:
Spencer will never be a head coach, until he's a little (ok, a lot) less self absorbed.
Bill Koll was "merely" 24 or 25 when he won his last individual titles. He was also a decorated combat engineer who was allowed to "slam" guys in a way that is now illegal. LOL. Poor bastards.I think I'm inclined to agree with you. Keep in mind this is an old problem. There have been military and religious exemptions forever. After WW II you had battle hardened vets on college football teams. Even the days before every college had shrines to York, Eleiko and Rogue; they were both physicallly and mentally leaps ahead of some teenager. And some schools (BYU) have used the religious exemption to their advantage.
The problem with the "covid year" was that it was conspicuous benefit; hidden cost. For every guy who had the extra year, there was an incoming kid who lost an opportunity. A lot of them still didn't get past the hump. (Marinelli, Kemmerer) or stay at the top. (Fix and RBY, courtesy of the same opponent) and of course Lee. Brayton Lee was injured and lost his edge.
Watching Levi Haines get beat by guy who has had four or five years to develop -so much so that Burroughs commented on his strength and development multiple times seems unfair. Is O'Connor a great wrestler? Absolutely. But at this point he's a man among boys.
Think back to your own youth-assuming its in the rear view mirror. I wasn't a college athlete, didn't have the training or direction, and still went from being 170 when I entered college (I was running every day, my weight was back in 180's by Christmas break) to 205 when I graduated on the "five year plan". By 24, I was 210 and still managed to turn a 5 and change mile and this was lifting infrequently.
Honestly, unless you are in grad school; I have no idea how you hang around until 24 or 25. When I graduated, I was six weeks short of 23 and still felt out of place.
On the flip side are real old guys that played sports; when advanced age was in the negative column.
7 Oldest College Football Players Ever - Oldest.org
Discover the 7 Oldest College Football Players Ever here. Prepare to be transported into a rich & fascinating history on the oldest football player that exist.
And in wrestling; then there's Nathan Godsey..
Ashland University’s oldest wrestler balances life as teacher, coach, student and father
ASHLAND, Ohio (WJW) – He may have joined the Ashland University wrestling team late in the season, but you can never say Nathan Godsey isn’t a hard worker. In fact, he works a full-time…
And Terence Haynes
Baldwin-Wallace's 45-year-old wrestler Terence Haynes loses 200 pounds, gains a new lease on life
A little over a year ago, Baldwin-Wallace College wrestler Terence Haynes weighed 430 pounds. Today, he weighs 228 pounds, well under the NCAA-imposed limit of 285 pounds for a heavyweight . The story doesn't end there. If losing over...
As I recall the oldest NCAA champ was 27 or 28.
I don't know if Bob Funk, team captain from about 1968, is alive or reading this, but a few years ago he told me Koll used to smoke cigars (or maybe cigs, I forget) around the room, then work out like it was nothing.
Interesting Barraclaugh had wins over 3 qualifiers. Munson and Eyler went 0-2, Gilcher went 1-2 beating Eyler.
Yeah the military and religious exemptions get tricky and I don’t like to be the one telling people they can’t compete. Today Austin Gomez announced he’s coming back. While I wanted him to have his due this year, a seventh year is just ridiculous. Where I have seen it most recently is bleeding into HS. It’s widely known in youth programs now that holding kids back gives them a massive advantage in their later HS years. Now all of the sudden, many kids are pushing 19 at graduation. The whole system seems to be trending the wrong direction. I also widely admit that I have told my brother to do the same thing with his boys. Otherwise they will be at a disadvantage. Not saying he will so everyone can stop yelling already. I turned 18 end of my senior year, walked onto my college team and made the lineup. Massive maturing in that 18-19/20 year. I can’t imagine still being in college when I was 25 and in the Marine Corps. But again, I’m not a hard no on it for exceptions. I just don’t like it. And in general it’s not good for the sport.I think I'm inclined to agree with you. Keep in mind this is an old problem. There have been military and religious exemptions forever. After WW II you had battle hardened vets on college football teams. Even the days before every college had shrines to York, Eleiko and Rogue; they were both physicallly and mentally leaps ahead of some teenager. And some schools (BYU) have used the religious exemption to their advantage.
The problem with the "covid year" was that it was conspicuous benefit; hidden cost. For every guy who had the extra year, there was an incoming kid who lost an opportunity. A lot of them still didn't get past the hump. (Marinelli, Kemmerer) or stay at the top. (Fix and RBY, courtesy of the same opponent) and of course Lee. Brayton Lee was injured and lost his edge.
Watching Levi Haines get beat by guy who has had four or five years to develop -so much so that Burroughs commented on his strength and development multiple times seems unfair. Is O'Connor a great wrestler? Absolutely. But at this point he's a man among boys.
Think back to your own youth-assuming its in the rear view mirror. I wasn't a college athlete, didn't have the training or direction, and still went from being 170 when I entered college (I was running every day, my weight was back in 180's by Christmas break) to 205 when I graduated on the "five year plan". By 24, I was 210 and still managed to turn a 5 and change mile and this was lifting infrequently.
Honestly, unless you are in grad school; I have no idea how you hang around until 24 or 25. When I graduated, I was six weeks short of 23 and still felt out of place.
On the flip side are real old guys that played sports; when advanced age was in the negative column.
7 Oldest College Football Players Ever - Oldest.org
Discover the 7 Oldest College Football Players Ever here. Prepare to be transported into a rich & fascinating history on the oldest football player that exist.
And in wrestling; then there's Nathan Godsey..
Ashland University’s oldest wrestler balances life as teacher, coach, student and father
ASHLAND, Ohio (WJW) – He may have joined the Ashland University wrestling team late in the season, but you can never say Nathan Godsey isn’t a hard worker. In fact, he works a full-time…
And Terence Haynes
Baldwin-Wallace's 45-year-old wrestler Terence Haynes loses 200 pounds, gains a new lease on life
A little over a year ago, Baldwin-Wallace College wrestler Terence Haynes weighed 430 pounds. Today, he weighs 228 pounds, well under the NCAA-imposed limit of 285 pounds for a heavyweight . The story doesn't end there. If losing over...
As I recall the oldest NCAA champ was 27 or 28.
This is a post I’d expect from some of the name calling over there. Not here.
His son Chris smoked cigars at my HS practices. He was the coach my senior year. It was nasty when you were sucking air and sweating through the rubberized sweats!
What makes everyone think that being a great wrestler equals being a great coach? From my far away eyes Spencer does not appear to have the goods to coach. Very fragile mentally. It could work at Iowa where he has achieved deity status, but would most likely continue with the same Iowa style as TnT.
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guy who won an ncaa title on two torn ACL's clearly "mentally fragile" lol
Did you see him close his eyes as he was being stuck and then MFF with no apparent injury while his team was still fighting for 2nd? And that was then and this is now. Would he have wrestled the finals if he had won? Of course. But he quit when it was all about him. Not a good team player in my opinion. But as I said guys like you have elevated him as a savior and program saver. So do it. Fire TnT and make Spencer the next coach. Iowa style. LOL. You sound like one of those Hawkeye fans that punched a poor tshirt vendor that dared ask about the Prince.
At least his mother shows emotional strength, Sorry, couldn't help myself.
There's a lot that goes into this.
Spencer didn't put himself on that pedestal.
As I said before he was put there to carry Iowa Wrestling on his back..
His family, the Brands bros and the fan base put him there and it is almost impossible to live up to what they expected..( He didn't miss it by much either).
He's still a kid and he's going to make kid mistakes(fan bases seem to forget how stupid they were at that age, some are worse at a later age).
The amt of pressure he was under is more than any one in that program has been under in a long time if ever. We've seen the cracks for a bit..
The Brands have helped to create that pressure cooker..
I feel bad for Spencer and the good Iowa fanbase but love the gut punch to the douche bags.
Wasn't a fan of our "part time fans" going to the HR to rub their noses in it either. Funny barbs are one thing but what was going on wasn't...
Just my opinion not that anyone cares.
some good comments here. The age thing is pretty wild but spot on with the $$ the kids can get. Probably a sign of things to come but then you have to throw in the scholarship juggle.
No one has mentioned, but the dual meet record may be in jeopardy next year with some of the line-ups we may face. I say this based on the win/loss guarantee not being a 100% in matches. I want all the records. Really want the 10 AAs so Minny can't continue to brag.
Also... listened to Nelson Brands interview... sounds just like his dad and uncle... chip off the ole block
No one has mentioned, but the dual meet record may be in jeopardy next year with some of the line-ups we may face. I say this based on the win/loss guarantee not being a 100% in matches. I want all the records. Really want the 10 AAs so Minny can't continue to brag.
Also... listened to Nelson Brands interview... sounds just like his dad and uncle... chip off the ole block
I highly doubt Starocci will punt if he wants to be the only 5 time champion (too tempting not to). Otherwise, he will be a grandfather by the time he graduates.
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None of us have any idea what level of injury Spencer is dealing with, although I am fairly certain it is not 0%.
My Roster/Depth Predictions
125: Howard, Steen, Bettencourt, Davis (RS), Shindledecker, Vespa, Nasdeo, Wentzel
133:125 Loser(s), Evans?, Sullivan, Shunk, Levine, Transfer?, Kasak???
141: BB, Evans, Kasak(RS), Pierce, Wang
149: SVN, 141 Loser(s)
157:Haines, Bearclaw, Dunbar
165:Facundo, Matt Lee, Joe Lee?
174:CSTAR, Kelly
184:Barr, Ball?
197:Brooks, Cochran, Fricchione, Smith
285:Kerk, Nevills?, 197 Loser(s)
Probably will be some transfers out, Maybe one in at the lower weights or to fill a hole for ORS/Barr RS.
125: Howard, Steen, Bettencourt, Davis (RS), Shindledecker, Vespa, Nasdeo, Wentzel
133:125 Loser(s), Evans?, Sullivan, Shunk, Levine, Transfer?, Kasak???
141: BB, Evans, Kasak(RS), Pierce, Wang
149: SVN, 141 Loser(s)
157:Haines, Bearclaw, Dunbar
165:Facundo, Matt Lee, Joe Lee?
174:CSTAR, Kelly
184:Barr, Ball?
197:Brooks, Cochran, Fricchione, Smith
285:Kerk, Nevills?, 197 Loser(s)
Probably will be some transfers out, Maybe one in at the lower weights or to fill a hole for ORS/Barr RS.
If you watched Max Murin walk off after his last match you would have seen some one with no quit. He literally had to be helped into the tunnel. He looked like he survived a train wreck. That is a team mate that gave his all. He had already AA'd but still kept wrestling. Spencer checked out. Enough said.
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I'd say that leadership, toughness, etc isn't always best illustrated by comparing 2 snapshots of guys (presumably) dealing with very different circumstances.If you watched Max Murin walk off after his last match you would have seen some one with no quit. He literally had to be helped into the tunnel. He looked like he survived a train wreck. That is a team mate that gave his all. He had already AA'd but still kept wrestling. Spencer checked out. Enough said.
But hey...you said "enough said" so I guess that ends it.
He is alive, but he is not reading this. I'll let him know you mentioned him and the question.
The last exhibition he wrestled up (I believe at 149). JB said he weighed in at ~141. I wondered at the time if that meant his walking around weight was 141…. or if maybe he cut that week because he didn’t know ahead of time he’d b wrestling up
you mean the brands brothers arent LOL I would say Spencer will be the next head coach!
I think it is incredibly unlikely, but slightly more likely than what you suggested that they go to Kasak at 133 and BB at 141. I doubt he can make it, but it is his best option if he wants a spot as a true frosh
come on man... there was no reason, team wise, to wrestle on Saturday. He didn't need a 3rd place to validate himself. Who knows what is knees were like? Murin's situation was different as he was reaching for a personal best. and he left it on the mat which was definitely admirable.
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