He should have been warned at least
POST-MATCH THREAD: PSU Beats Iowa
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It was a freaking fantastic match!
It was bush league move by the Hefer! Should have cost a team point. I love it! We just keep kickin Iowa's ass with class (and some PAIN from MAX DEAN making Warner SCREAM LIKE A BITCH!). The most important thing is that the good guys won yesterday. We ended their dual meet streak and we did it right by kicking their ass at CARVER!! They needed a lesson again to understand where they rank in the Wrestling world and it is always behind Penn State!!!!
Lasting image from this match, Iowa the tough guys of college wrestling, who enjoy pushing that image. Have their dual match winning streak ended by the fun loving, dodge ball playing, calm demeanor guys from Penn State. To make matters worse, the match was decided when Iowa's multi-time all-american Jacob Warner, starts with a 3-0 lead going into the third period and ends with him losing 8-3 and screaming like a girl as he is being broken in half by Mr Calm Max Dean.
The next time Brands is asked about Penn State or being a tough team, a reporter should play the clip of Warner screaming.
The next time Brands is asked about Penn State or being a tough team, a reporter should play the clip of Warner screaming.
Great post, do agree with you regarding the tightness of so many of the individual matchups. The difference in regards to R2 and R3, as you called them, is that it's not just the individual matchups that will matter, but how each team stacks up at the individual weight class -- and indeed I have that same feeling of optimism and trepidation regarding PSU. In the tournament setting it may come down to individual matchups in the semis or finals for PSU and Iowa assuming the team score is that close at near the end of the tournaments; however, Iowa has the more complete tournament team imho (and again, I'm obviously a PSU fan - PSU graduate actually).
I was hoping RBY, Lee and Starocci would show some "separation" at their weights as PSU needs all of them to repeat as Champions (and prevail in these individual matchups if they occur in Semis/Finals) or their chances in the team race are seriously diminished imho. Cass dominating Kirk was another result that caused a bit of trepidation regarding our chances in the team race at B1Gs and Nationals - really didn't see that one coming at all. A super close loss would have been less concerning, but Kerk looked terrible on bottom against Cass - totally dominated - which really changed my view of his chances at Nationals. The way he looked Friday night, I'd say Kerk has a very outside shot at Semis in National Tournament setting, but just don't see him surviving to finals.
Back to how each team stacks up at each weight class....
125 - Both teams AA caliber wrestlers (unlike many, I have no concern with how Hildebrandt looked vs Ybarra - Ybarra was wrestling not to lose and make it to 3rd Period in a scoreless match. Given Hildebrandt's performance against Suriano, I think he will AA), but overall this is a big +++ for PSU relative to last year's B1G and National Tournaments. (at least +15 net points to PSU relative to last year).
133 - RBY has not shown separation. I like his chances to make finals again at Nationals and repeat as Champion, but he is going to have to get past little more than "toss ups" in both Semis and Finals to do it. There is a decent possibility that PSU could lose points at this weight relative to last year.
141 - Again, was hoping to see separation from Nick relative to The Riddler -- but it just wasn't there, if anything, I think Eireman might have made the better adjustments - Nick was just plain fortunate that Eireman lost his grip on Nick's arm on the hip-toss headlock... Eireman doesn't lose the grip on Nick's arm, I think there's a decent shot Eireman sticks him there given the time on the clock. Good news for Nick is that he used the move in regular season match and I don't see Nick allowing this again. The thing I also see in this matchup is that Nick seems content to take Eireman into "deeper water" in a low scoring match by keeping the pressure on, but not getting out of position (i.e., willing to accept stalemates).... and let it be determined in SV as he has the clearly better gas tank. In this way, I think Lee has the much higher probability of repeating relative to RBY and Starocci.
149 - Murin looked like he will AA, Bartlett didn't. Point advantage to Iowa relative to last year imho.
157 - ditto my thoughts from 149. Young looks like a tough out and our guy looked bad in every position (zero offense, couldn't get off bottom and couldn't ride).
165 - Marenelli didn't surprise me - Brady did. Berge was completely overmatched and Marenelli is certainly a top 5 65 over, but no sure-thing to even make it into semis with the emergence of the guy from duhO$U, who looks very, very good. PSU is in trouble at 65 again this year.
174 - Again, was hoping to see separation from Carter relative to Kem.... it just wasn't there. These two remain a toss-up.
184 - Brooks is going to likely repeat, but Assad wrestled like he has an outside-shot at AA.
197 - It played out as I predicted. Warner's lack of a gas tank fatal in 3rd Period (although match shouldn't have been that close as Dean clearly had T2 and backs at end of first).
HWT - Cass looked great, Kerk didn't.
Overall, team race may come down to individual match-ups at 133, 141 and 174.... and PSU may need all of them to prevail given their weakness at 149, 157 and 165 -- especially 57 and 65 (Bartlett has a shot at making some noise if he can make some adjustments and advancements in next 4 weeks.).
I retract my previous statements about wanting to see Marinelli get a title if it ends up having no bearing on the team race. Screw that. I'll revel in the heartbreak once more when he goes down in the quarterfinals. He can reap what he's sown.
We’re doomed!
With Ayala possibly out, Iowa has 3 “holes” just like we do - nothing from Kaleb Young or Assad tells me they’re scoring materially more points than, say, Berge and Bartlett. It’s going to come down to the other 7 on each team. Hildebrandt, RBY, Lee, Star, Brooks, Dean, Kerk vs AD, Eierman, Murin, Bull, Kemerer, Warner and Cass. I’ll take our heavy hitters any day.
They have gone from being the "mecca" of college wrestling to being a run of the mill snake pit. Their fans and wrestlers have crossed the line. ADS, the Bull, the crowd's constant attempts to intimidate the refs, the water bottle.....their claims to being the most knowledgeable and gracious fans who respect the sport and their opponents seem a little ridiculous now. Jealousy will do that to you, I guess.
What is with Iowa fans and throwing objects at opposing players? Even hockey fans outgrew that over a decade ago.
I get it, I really do.
But they are the mecca for wrestling. Not sure another town could pull off what they do for college and SFS events.
A small contingency of their fans have always been cringe. That's not anything new.
They travel well, they have passionate fans and they win a lot. What sports team wouldn't want that.
We’re doomed!
With Ayala possibly out, Iowa has 3 “holes” just like we do - nothing from Kaleb Young or Assad tells me they’re scoring materially more points than, say, Berge and Bartlett. It’s going to come down to the other 7 on each team. Hildebrandt, RBY, Lee, Star, Brooks, Dean, Kerk vs AD, Eierman, Murin, Bull, Kemerer, Warner and Cass. I’ll take our heavy hitters any day.
Don't think I said "we're doomed" anywhere in my post. But I'll respectfully, and vehemently, disagree that our guys at our 3 weakest weights looked remotely as competitive as Iowa's guys at their 3 weakest weights. Murin, Young and Assad all looked like they have a realistic shot at AA'ing. Our 57 isn't even going to make Nationals at this point. And our 49 & 65 don't even look like they'll make the blood-round.
Much of what they are doing now reminds me of the WWE. IMHO, that's not what college wrestling should be about..
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If Young cant get a take down on our 157. Shouldnt he have a hard time being a AA?
And I mentioned that with Ayala possibly out, 125 is their equivalent of our 157.
And I respectfully, but vehemently, disagree that Young (at the very least) has any chance at AA - he looks like a tired guy doing this for his father in law. Assad did his job Friday - it was Jake Ryan-esque
Exactly - analysis so filled with holes you could fly the Graf Zeppelin through them
"Analysis" LOL. It's Bushwood. Ther pattern is a questionable take buried within a thousand words, followed by more lengthy smothering posts.
Off-topic for this thread, but would be an interesting discussion among knowledgeable fans. Seabass has been dominant this season, but with exactly "0" wins against anyone smelling the top of the rankings (Composto @ #19 is his best win). Eierman is cagey, but doesn't appear to be 100% compared to past seasons. Still looks to be really close to me.
What are thoughts about the Lee / Eirman match where Nick was thrown to his back? I think Gibbons or Sparks commented about shallow shots being what Eirman wants or is dangerous with, then a short time later he throws Nick on a shallow shot, if I recall correctly. Haven’t rewatched it. I believe Nick avoided any throws or wild scrambles with Eirman last year.
Did you like how I didn’t reflexively go to the Hindenburg - I went to a 2nd/3rd tier member of the blimp family - the Kaleb Young of blimps as it were
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Credit to Rivera to let this play out as Warner cried out in pain. It looked awful and I would have folded much earlier.
hasn't Young had some competitive matches with Deakin? Don't underestimate him due to not being a high scorer
Agreed. Rivera has beaten multiple NCAA champs (Lee 2x, RBY, Gross). He was always very good, and he might be much better, but we won't know that (Rutgers/Mineo hype aside) until he faces someone at his level -- which won't be until at least B10 quarters.
We saw on Friday that Eierman at less than 100% is still dangerous. Old man tricks and all.
They should face in the B10 semis, in what should be of this year's best matchups outside of a national finals.
In 2019. Just saying Young has not looked good at all this year. He is 0-5 against anyone ranked in the top 20 this year.
How did he AA in 2019 and 2021 (and 2020 if you count the AAs give out based on ranking).
I don’t know, weren’t they locked up for a throw when Lee hit the inside trip in OT to win.
They've always done that. The shoving and head mushes is part the Iowa "thing".
Before they got their new shiny toy, Gilman personified the Iowa style.
Remember what he did at Missouri?
YEP! After that bush league crap pushing Brady after the whistle constantly. You just sealed your fate you overrated Hefer! SIX YEARS OF COLLEGE ZERO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Hey, Hefer let me talk to Cenzo, he may let you hold his TWO National Championships!!!
Lee was extremely fortunate that Eierman lost his grip on his arm during the hip toss - this allowed Lee to roll his body to the face down position after they hit the mat. If Eierman doesn't lose control of the arm on the throw, I think there's a good chance Eierman sticks him given the amount of time on the clock (that pinning combination is very difficult to get out of if locked tight with arm). The good news imho is that Nick now knows exactly how Eierman set it up and it likely will now be off the table for post-season match-ups. It's an exaggeration to say Eierman wants Lee to shoot - he is leery of Lee's shots as he has taken him down on solid shots (and in fact took him down in Friday's matches). He does want to force scrambles and catch Lee on shots where he can cut them short effectively making them "shallow". Lee has the advantage that he can stay conservative and only go on the highest quality opportunities because Lee has the advantage the longer the match goes... he's effectively dragging Eierman into "deeper water" as the match remains tied late in third as Lee has the better gas tank by a big margin. Eierman wants to get a lead via a TD in 1st or second and then just hold Lee off in 3rd.
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"Kaleb Young of blimps" reference wasted on the kiddie water balloon of posters.
0-5 against top ten, all decisions outside of a headlock against Scott. Closest match Carr has had all year and a 2x AA that notoriously gets it done in March. Ever heard of J Jaggers? March is quite literally the only thing that matters at this point, especially for a 6th year gritty guy
What did you see or hear at the match? With each passing season it appears Iowa fans are building on their poor reputation around here.
So you agree he hasnt look good this year including Friday? Which was my point.
Shit, now he found the BOLD button?
I agree, in part. That first throw by Eierman against Nick was scary. That said, I just don't think Eierman has been wrestling great this year. It could just be he doesn't have much left in the tank. Give me Sea Bass at Big 10s.
