PSU - Michigan Dual Thread
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Would love to see a three match set between Coon & Snyder. One Free, one Greco, and one Folk.
I think Nolf can ride just fine, he just very rarely chooses to (or has to).
I wouldn't draw any conclusions about "widening the gap" from that match, as Massa is likely still knocking off the rust from his injury lay-off. And Massa was "setting himself up" because he was behind in the match and trying to score, and the conventional below-the-waist shots weren't working. So Massa was willing to risk it. I'll give him some props for that.
Re. the bold, underlined part, I'd say that he's not considered to be "much of a top wrestler", as you say, simply because we don't see it often. My observations are, when Jason wants to settle in and ride, he settles in and rides with the best of them. When's the last time he's had to do it like last night though? Yeah, I can't remember either.
Jason's wrestling IQ is through the roof, so here's a thought...Jason's up 5-4 after 2, realizes the bonus point victory is possible, maybe unlikely, and wants to make a statement. It's not far-fetched that he decided to ride for the whole 3rd to make a point. Pantaleo's much-improved, and has been impressive since his 2 early-season losses.
Excuse my potential ignorance, but wouldn't greco be about the only style that Coon would have a fighting chance at?
Agree about UM. They wanted to make a statement gave it their best shot in every match. A worthy opponent.
The brutality and ultimate pin at 149 were well deserved from Amine, who acted like a brat, and thus extremely rewarding.
Someone else put it best about Nick Lee - he probably had an "adrenaline dump" in the 3rd period, due to being so amped up for his first match, and an important match for the dual at that.
If Hall gets 6 points out of that mixer (as he nearly did) in the 1st period, it's a different match. But a very smart and controlled match by Hall, though I didn't love giving up the late TD.
Nevills has not looked good of late. Didn't really expect him to beat Coon, but wasn't expecting 8-0 either.
Coon is definitely bigger than Snyder, but considering Snyder deadlifts over 800 pounds is a lack of relative strength ever a concern for Snyder?
One of the many legends of Zain is the high school level freestyle tourney where he beat a Russian on the mat, and afterward got sucker punched by him behind the stands. Zain just stood there and laughed.
That was as a teenager.
Amine getting slappy with Zain was never gonna end well for him. Zain doesn't get emotionally distracted. He only gets somehow even more focused.
Hence, "my potential ignorance." I probably just don't know enough about either of their skills in folk style, but I would guess that Snyder has already beaten Coon in folk style in the past, but I could be wrong on that too.
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I remember seeing an interview with Snyder a year or two ago where he says that he utilizes his smaller size in a way where he shoots shots to place pressure and extension on joints in the body, and why the bigger guys will just fall over when he shoots his shots.
Yes, this was my crude way of wording it.
I would offer 2 points.
First, Snyder is most likely even better now relative to 2 years ago.
Second, I do not believe Coon is as good as Gwiz is. Coon is closer to Snyder than Medbery.
I'd make the following points:
• Snyder is even better now than he was back then.
• Gwiz has a style much closer to Snyder's than does Coon (i.e., he actually changes levels and shoots legs, which makes him more effective).
• Coon could fall on Snyder and break his ribs . . . but still would not score an offensive point.
Just my opinion.
Wrestling Frank Molinaro and dealing with the slugfest those matches became, dealing with Amine was never going to be anything other than a bug meets winshield moment.
Everything Snyder does seems to have a purpose.I remember seeing an interview with Snyder a year or two ago where he says that he utilizes his smaller size in a way where he shoots shots to place pressure and extension on joints in the body, and why the bigger guys will just fall over when he shoots his shots.
Yes, this was my crude way of wording it.
Snyder beat Coon 7-4 (credit to wrestlestat for the score) for the big championship 2 years ago.
I think the sucker punch was at the Dave Schultz during his red shirt year. It was a different incident with a Russian in the hallway at Cadet worlds.
http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-penn-state-wrestling-retherford-20150205-story.html
There has always been a clear gap after Coon, just we weren't acknowledging it. As a true freshman Coon beat Tony Nelson. His last 2 trips to nationals, lost by 1 pt to Gwiz each time to finish 2nd and 3rd. Nick has never been at that level -- and, frankly nor has anyone else except Snyder.
That said, despite our frustrations with Nick right now, he still has beaten some good opponents this year: Hall, Kasper, Hughes, Wood. Still capable of reaching the 3rd/4th place match, though not the way he has wrestled lately. He has some stuff to fix and fortunately 2 months to fix it.
The guy is a jerk. He used to go to all of the Bullet's/Wizard's games. He sat behind the opponents
bench and spent the whole game yelling insults at them. It is a really stupid and ignorant thing
to do and more so when your team is down by 20.
Also: they met at B10s two years ago. Snyder won 7-4. It wasn't as close as that score. Snyder won the takedown battle 3-0.
It's not that impressive when you consider Tomasello deadlifts with a VW on each end of the bar.
I agree. I only want to see him get his butt kicked whenever I'm around him at rasslin events! Gets old quick.
This is what I remember too.
One thing to add to the discussion...at one of last season's Coaches Radio Shows, Zain was asked if he gets angry during a bout. (I'll paraphrase)...Yes, I get angry. Then I take it out on my opponents the best way possible, by scoring as many points as I can.
Those are easy words to say in front of Jeff, and an audience, tougher to do in the heat of battle. Yet we have example after example of Zain under complete control at all times.
Wasn't it established elsewhere on the internet last night that this is cheating?I remember seeing an interview with Snyder a year or two ago where he says that he utilizes his smaller size in a way where he shoots shots to place pressure and extension on joints in the body, and why the bigger guys will just fall over when he shoots his shots.
Yes, this was my crude way of wording it.
Disagree. He’s a total douche bag.
At Big Tens a few years ago, I believe in Columbus, Ficker unnecessarily yelled at the top of his lungs for two full days of wrestling. Totally annoying.
Luckily he shut his yapper for the B10 Finals, only because Maryland is awful and had no finalists.
Nonetheless, I'll be hitting the novenas hard praying I'm not in his vicinity for 3 days at Nationals ;-)
I’m very curious in Nick Lee’s match up vs Gasca on Sunday.
Gasca is always tough and often gave Gulibon fits.
Gasca might be ranked #20, but it would not be a shocker to see him hovering in the R12 bracket and needing a win to make AA.
He was B10 runner up last year, pinning Gulibon and beating Thorn.
Gasca is always tough and often gave Gulibon fits.
Gasca might be ranked #20, but it would not be a shocker to see him hovering in the R12 bracket and needing a win to make AA.
He was B10 runner up last year, pinning Gulibon and beating Thorn.
This would make a wonderful belated Christmas gift for Ficker. Speaking of Maryland residents: also for PD2.
Not sure that I would know anything about that, but Snyder did openly state it. I certainly wouldn't be smart enough to be able to conjure something like up in my mind.Wasn't it established elsewhere on the internet last night that this is cheating?
Now there's a thought: HOW THE HELL will Downey's dad (PDII, even though I refuse to use those monikers) take the heckling that Ficker is SURE to hand out toward Downey Jr?! Wow, what a thought!
Why can't I get, "Clowney Downey, Clowney Downey, Clowney Downey" out of my head?
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Good point. But Gwiz and Coon are different wrestlers. Gwiz seems much more athletic (although I must admit I was more impressed with Coon's athleticism last night, than I've been in the past); Coon certainly has the strength and size. Hard to believe that in HS McIntosh wrestled and beat Coon in FS (I believe Morgan went up a weight to around 215).
Sat with him twice over the years. Interesting conversations. And I get the things that happened at the NBA games, dude got what he deserved.
All my experiences at college wrestling venues, including Rec Hall, is that he was annoying, but kept it to cheering his guys, and not bad-mouthing the other guy. Didn't cross any line, but agree it would get old fast for extended periods. Name-calling's not necessary, by the way...
Plenty of dudes are 6’5 , 320. Does he have the feet and being away from the Game so long, be a huge project refining that technique needed. May be worth an invite to camp though. Better shot to make it as an engineer, next best shot would be to beat Snyder, then lastly would be the odds of Coon making an NFL roster.
See. He is a douche bag.
That’s a good name for him.
No one else at sporting events behaves like him.
You first wrote “ he’s an entertaining guy.”
No he is not.
Just agree to disagree.
Personally I want to see PD2 sit next to Greg Martin ... but what the hell, let's have Ficker there with them.Now there's a thought: HOW THE HELL will Downey's dad (PDII, even though I refuse to use those monikers) take the heckling that Ficker is SURE to hand out toward Downey Jr?! Wow, what a thought!
Why can't I get, "Clowney Downey, Clowney Downey, Clowney Downey" out of my head?
Despite Coon’s size advantage, I think Snyder has a strength advantage on Coon, not to mention quickness and athletic ability.
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